Jun 28, 2009 11:39pm

my first cycle of havoc i exploded. my chest and shoulders got exceptionally large. al laround my body just got large and i was hardly tired at the gym ( lifting three to four hours a day) the second cylce i took i really didnt see any signifacant gain. I would recommmend the product as different supps affect different people differentl, however, ive talked to many people and its not safe unless ur over 25 or closer to 30 as your testosterone level don't drop until you older.