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Strength gains were fairly similar now that I compare the two. You can't go wrong either way, but keep in mind that Clout has Beta-Alanine and additional ingredients in it as well.
I have not tried MAN Orotine with MAN Body Octane, but I think that Orotine will have similar effects. In the future, I will most certainly stick with MAN Clout because Orotine does not mix well at all from my experience.
I take MAN Orotine on my training days and then take regular Creatine Monohydrate on my non-training days. I have noticed strength gains this way, so it will be fine. I have done this in order to extend the life of the Orotine bottle because as you pointed out earlier, it is not very economical.
Try the basic program of PRRS. I think it is solid. Info can be found here.
http://forum.bodybuildin g.com/showthread.php?t=6398381 . Nutrition= Eat 700 cals over BMR+activity level. 40%P 30%C 30%F